Episode 1:25 – Friends and Divorce

Friends are yet another tricky subject in divorce. Who gets what friends after a divorce? Does your new spouse make friends with your friends? What happens if you are in the same social circles still? Are there people that want to be friends with both you and your ex? It gets complicated really fast.
In this episode, we talk about the pitfalls and traps and how to avoid them.

Who Gets the Friends in a Divorce

  • Cannot specify which friends go to who, in the divorce papers.
  • Moving to a new location is typically what happens for one of the people. So that problem is not common for everyone.
  • In our situation, Darren did not move, some friends had to take sides.
  • It will be hard to have a friend still be both of your friends. You have put them in the middle of your mess. Not fair. You need to let them go sometimes.
  • Sometimes you might lose a friend because “divorce is contagious”. It is very hurtful. But you need to be understanding.

How to Make Friends in your Spouses Circle of Friends

  • Church Friends, Soccer mom friends, that you might have in common with your spouse’s ex.
  • Three sets of friends.
    • Your friends – Your exes friends – Friends with both parties.
    • Be respectful of your exes friends, boundaries are good.
    • Be understanding of your friends, they are trying to navigate the situation the best they can.
    • Venting to a person might seem ok but who do they talk to and who talks to them. Word gets out very fast in a small community. Be careful to only vent to one or two people who you can trust and know that they will not share what you have told them with anyone. 
  • Communicating with the friend network can be difficult.
    • When you travel in the same circles and have common friends make sure you are communicating really well with your ex, for your friend’s sake.

Being Friends of a Divorced Couple

  • Both get invited to a party by the same person. Can be awkward and uncomfortable.
  • It can be hard to navigate communicating with a couple that has been divorced. We feel for you.
  • Don’t get your feelings hurt if someone does not come to the party, lunch, or soccer game.
  • We have invited two couples that are exes, to a party just recently, without thinking about how it might affect them. 
  • Be supportive, try to understand that you cannot understand what they go through until you have gone through it.
  • Realize that all words spoken will go to the other side of the relationship. Be respectful and speak kind words.
  • If you are friends with both sides, you need to figure out who needs you at the moment.

Lemonade Moment of the week

At a wedding of Darren’s niece, Paige accidentally wakes up Darren at 1:30 am in the morning trying to find her purse that she did not bring on the trip…

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Transcript

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hello this is Darren and this is page

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and this is where’s the lemonade where

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we talked about what happens when life

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throws you lemons make some lemonade

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maybe some weeks it’s lemons where’s

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yeah some weeks it’s just lemons yep

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on today’s episode we’re gonna talk

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about who gets friends in a divorce it’s

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French

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friends are yet another really tricky

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thing in divorce yeah I’m the court

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documents don’t specify which friends go

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with whom at least not in my court

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document they might in some people they

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might yeah I’m very contentious divorces

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they might they might but they’re not

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enforceable by law so it gets really

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tricky sometimes how do you specify

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which friends go where you may have a

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friend and now they won’t talk to you

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anymore

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even though maybe you were friends first

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it gets really kind of hard it does and

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you know there’s really no way around it

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I mean you’re gonna probably lose a

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couple of friends in your divorce or you

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know your spouse is your spouse ex

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spouse is gonna lose a friend or two the

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man’s probably gonna lose more friends

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than the woman wouldn’t you agree

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in our case yes because well because

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you’re more social million but that’s

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not always a case right but I just I

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feel like girls always have you know

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they’re close girlfriends and guys don’t

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always have a lot of close guy friends

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you know that yeah that’s simple just

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typically typically right so anyway but

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but you know a lot of times when when

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you’re in a divorce situation you end up

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moving yes and in that case then you get

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kind of a clean break new friends but we

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talked about this when we talked about

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our siblings some of my siblings were

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better friends with my ex than I was and

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they felt a loss right they even told me

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that yeah why’d you do that alright you

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know they felt a loss and because they

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still want to be loyal to me their

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brother of course but you know they

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still very much wanted to be with my ex

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yeah and family you know it’s it’s

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easier for families to draw the line

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than friends yeah blood sprite because

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it’s like even though I care about you

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you know the exits leaving I care about

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you but I really can’t stay in contact

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with you because the family that’s more

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blood that’s more understandable

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but friends can get a little trickier

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they can now in your situation it was

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pretty easy because your ex moved away

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yes in fact before our divorce was even

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final he had moved away when we were

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separated right so you got all the

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friends I got all the friends I got them

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anyway because he was not for me

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no he was not he’s not social he’s done

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a super sociable guy so the friends the

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the friends that we had I was more the

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you know instigator in being friends

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with them not him even though I think

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they loved him and he loved them but it

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wasn’t like he was gonna go hang out

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with any of these people like I would

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does that make sense yeah yeah it does

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no in my case it was very different

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because we well kind of we’d only lived

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here about a year when we got divorced

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so they weren’t real deep friendships

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yet but we still stayed in the same

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neighborhood right and the same church

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congregation Church congregation the

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same you know soccer leagues whatever it

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was right so there was some that was

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yeah yeah who can I talk to who can I

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not talk to can we just address

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something really quickly here no now’s

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not the time if you’re wondering why

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Darren has a lisp he’s had a very bad

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couple of days and right I have yeah

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I’ve had a very bad couple days and he

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had some dental surgery some extensive

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dental work because of a bad infection

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and so he had a tooth removed and he’s

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got a temporary bridge until he can get

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the implant and that was yesterday so

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yes we had two great canals and it’s my

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my Lisp is because of that and it’s

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bothering Paige a lot not bothering it’s

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just it’s funny she’s laughing at me

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back to the subject yes back to the

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subject okay so in my situation friends

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had had to choose sides yes and some

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didn’t and we’ll talk about that later

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but it I felt I felt somewhat

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like wow I thought we were friends

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obviously we weren’t when they decided

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to go and spend more time with my ex and

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I was kind of excluded right that is

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that is hurtful it is right it’s hurtful

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and uh but you got to understand you’ve

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got to try and understand these poor

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friends that are put in the middle of a

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little tug of war and you know I feel I

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feel bad for them now another thing

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causes a loss of friends is in fact

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there was a an article that just came

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out a study done by Harvard Medical

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School that talked about divorce as

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being contagious I hate that article so

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much I know you do I understand it I do

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but so when I was actually getting

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divorced actually I was separated first

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and then another one of my friends got

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separated and one of our close friends

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her husband said to her I really don’t

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want you hanging out with them anymore

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and I can’t tell you how how much that

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hurt me and because I thought first of

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all I am the first one to tell anyone to

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not get divorced I mean I’m the first

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man and even back then even when I was

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separated I would have said to anyone

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you know do not go down this road if at

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all possible so I was not maybe the

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typical divorcee that they’re talking

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about in this article that’s going out

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and having fun and oh the single life

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was great completely the opposite anyway

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but it was so hurtful when she said I

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really can’t hang out with you guys

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anymore because my husband’s worried and

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at the time I was just like oh my

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goodness he’s kind of a jerk and this is

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so hurtful but I don’t think he was a

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jerk I think he was scared I won’t and I

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totally get it because the numbers are

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pretty compelling yeah but you also have

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to realize if you are in the middle and

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this was only four people that were

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friends with people before the divorce

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while they were going through a divorce

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right if you make friends with the

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person that’s already been divorced

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the numbers aren’t there right but I can

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understand why you would feel hurt yeah

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I I was very hurt very very this was my

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really really close friend but you also

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have to understand where they’re coming

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from absolutely and I protect their

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marriage yes I tried very hard to

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understand and now I can see it 100%

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that he was worried I mean her two

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closest friends are getting divorced and

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that was very rare at the time we didn’t

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know a lot of people out of our friends

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were not divorced and so this was two

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very rare things happening and I totally

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I totally get where he was coming from

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so in this section that we’re talking

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about who gets friends in the divorce

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sometimes no one sometimes you lose

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friends sometimes you lose hey you know

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what it’s time to go to move on and let

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that happen

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yeah except trying to hold on all right

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so let’s talk about friends here in our

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situation now I was living here when we

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got married and you moved in you moved

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into my circle of friends and a circle

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of friends of my ex-wife which was

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extremely difficult for me because I had

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to try and navigate who she was friends

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with and who she wasn’t and just because

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I wanted to be respectful I wanted to

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have those boundaries and respect who

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she was friends with I didn’t want I

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didn’t want to try and pull someone over

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like I wasn’t gonna play any games so

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yeah I kind of wanted a list of stay

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away from these people which of course

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there is no such list but I really wish

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someone would have said because I I was

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I was having a hard time being friends

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with anyone because I really didn’t know

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what the situation was right and and in

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my case I actually was friends with a

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husband and their wife was a friend with

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my ex right you wouldn’t be able to be a

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friend with my friends right wife so

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yeah it gets really really tricky right

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so what we what we kind of found over

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the years is you kind of group people

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into these three buckets

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Yeah right our friends that are friends

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with just us right friends that are just

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with our ex-spouse that that circle

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friends over there and then friends that

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kind of span both that her friends were

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both both families right oh and then

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there of course there’s people that are

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friends with neither yes there are

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people so I think that the easiest ones

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are the friends that are our closest

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friends that are friends with just us

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because they don’t have to deal with did

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I talk to someone the right way they

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don’t have to worry about

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they’re not being pulled they’re not

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being told at all they’re just like you

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know yeah so right and and you know what

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it’s important that you recognize who

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those people are because you need to as

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a as a divorced person or in a blended

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family you need to be mindful that your

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friends are going through a rough time

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they could be pulled in different ways

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so identifying hey yes they are engaged

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in both families is an important aspect

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well and we are in a circumstance where

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we are in the same neighborhood

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congregations schools so we are going to

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see each other and our friends and all

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the time all the time so we have to be

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friendly and kind and nice always to

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which can be hard especially if your

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relationship with your ex is on the

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rocks at the time yeah

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which you know what in any divorce that

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your co-parenting it goes up and down

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all right yeah right so sometimes you

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need to vent so this is where having I

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identifying the people that are just

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your friends or people that are joint

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friends is important you don’t go vent

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to everyone in fact we talked earlier

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maybe we pick one or two people that we

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could vent to if we felt like we need to

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do if we had to just get something off

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our chest right yeah just one or two

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people that’s that’s it and make sure

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those people aren’t people that would go

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around and tell other people I ran into

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that problem in an innovative way

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yes you did right when I was getting

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divorced

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I confided in one of my co-workers and

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of course he told his wife which is no

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big deal I would expect that right but

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his wife then told someone at a soccer

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game who then told someone in their

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congregation who then told somebody else

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and it came back around and then I was

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saying bad things about my ex and you

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had no idea you thought that you were

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keeping things completely separate this

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was a work person who had no connection

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they didn’t even live in the area yeah

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you got to be careful who you talk to if

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you are concerned and it’s a very

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tight-knit community then you go talk to

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a therapist and things off or your

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parents you know I mean a family member

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exactly now let’s talk about family

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members too we talked a little bit

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before sometimes your family members

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still wants to be friends with your ex

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I’ve seen that happen right so you’ve

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got to let that sort of thing happen you

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can’t just plow over the top of that you

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can’t force people to be your friends no

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and you can’t force people to not be the

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friend to someone else either that’s not

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right

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now what about friends that span both

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families we there’s several people that

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we know that are like that that are

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friends with them and friends with us

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and yeah I think I think that there it’s

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actually harder for them because

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sometimes I think they feel in the

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middle a little bit and I feel for them

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and I hope they know that I feel for

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them I I understand I because we

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actually you know have friends that are

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divorced and we know both couples and

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you know what the exes in the and so we

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have been caught in the middle a couple

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times and we know how that is yeah it

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can get really tough yeah it can be

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really tough when you especially you

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want to invite both families to

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something and oh is it gonna be awkward

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I mean yeah it’s it’s hard so you got to

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be really patient and understanding on

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no matter what side you’re on another

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thing you have to work on when you have

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common friends is coordination and

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communication yeah it can be tricky if

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you’re both trying to organize right the

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same

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thing because you haven’t communicated

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clearly and we’ve had that happen yeah

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we have like a carpool maybe from a

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sporting event or something like that

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yes and we’re trying to arrange

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something and she’s trying to arrange

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something and good intentions on both

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sides but because we didn’t communicate

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good enough sometimes a friend gets

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caught in the middle and so sorry for

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anyone that that’s ever happened to yeah

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in fact and even if the friends are in

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different circles they may actually be

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friends and Sol’s

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yeah or share a friend in the middle so

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the game of telephone goes around so if

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you’re if you have a common friend’s

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friend circles that overlap you’ve got a

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coordinate when you’re doing anything

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like carpools or taking treats to to

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soccer games or whatever it is right

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otherwise what happens is people hear oh

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they’re going to do it Darren and Paige

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are gonna bring that the snack of this

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week oh no I heard his ex is going to do

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it right oh so we don’t have whatever it

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is right and either something gets

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canceled or too many people show up for

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something yeah so the ball can get

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dropped and people people like our

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friends or just innocent bystanders can

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be caught in the middle of our little

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miscommunication coordination so I hope

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people are patient with us as we try and

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figure out our life

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okay let’s talk about our friends how to

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be I love our friend you talk about our

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friends yeah let’s talk about we’re

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gonna name them all right no no we’re

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not gonna let’s talk about being friends

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with a divorced couple what that’s like

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what do you mean

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well I mean especially a blended family

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it’s got to be difficult especially in

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our case where my ex is in the same you

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know circles of influence the same

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circles of friends um it might get

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really difficult to understand it’s

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especially a fury and kind of in the

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middle and friends with both do I invite

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them to a birthday do I invite both

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families to a birthday party right yeah

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we and we’ve had you I send an email to

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both to both of them talking about

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something with one of their kids right

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and we’ve been in this situation with

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all those things you just mentioned

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we’ve been invited to the same parties I

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think we’ve had friends or acquaintances

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that have struggled with which family to

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invite and yeah I think it’s we’ve even

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had the case where someone showed up for

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a party at our house and it was for my

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daughter and she was at her mom’s yeah

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they were like oh we didn’t know what

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y’all so I’m sorry

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ain’t no that’s fine it’s right deal so

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we understand how difficult it must be

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yes and we actually have friends that we

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are friends with both the you know both

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exes and you know we understand how

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challenging that can be and it’s hard

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it’s really hard and I feel for the

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friends but I guess what I want to say

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to the friends as they’re trying to

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navigate us and our exes just know that

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we feel for you and understand that it’s

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difficult and we love you yeah we do now

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let’s talk about some practical things

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that you could do yeah first off if it

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has to do with kids and going somewhere

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sending email to both parents it’s

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always the smartest thing to do because

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even though

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they may be on a certain schedule like a

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2:255 or week on week off you may not

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know exactly where they’re going to be

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when that happens right they need to be

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picked up for a party or whatever it is

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right so it’s always safest to just send

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an email to both I’ll just cover your

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bases yeah that’s just that will

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eliminate any confusion so that’s one

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tip that we have yep

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um how about our hurt feelings a tip is

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try to not let your feelings get to hurt

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if you don’t get invited to something

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that you thought maybe you would be but

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you’re not because your ex is there

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right yeah yeah exactly so that’s for us

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so but as a friend of ours take a look

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at you know it’s okay to invite two

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people I’m you know us and Darrin’s ex

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to the same party we may not we may

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decide not to come right so don’t get

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your feelings hurt when we don’t know

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yes yes it goes both ways don’t get your

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feelings hurt either way because you

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have no idea if you’re friends with both

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of us you may not know how our

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relationship is with our ex at that

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point in time we might be rocky or it

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could be great and we can sit in the

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same room or it may be that we can’t sit

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in the same room too yeah so be patient

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with everyone in the situation I like

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that the next one would be try and be

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supportive we know you probably haven’t

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gone through the same thing that we’re

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going through if you haven’t gone

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through a divorce or a blended family

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just be supportive the best way that you

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can when we’re going through a tough

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time whether it’s a disagreement on how

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to raise a kid or whatever it is just

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remember we’re going through a tough

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time trying to figure this out so

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anything you can do to be supportive of

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of your friend is is valuable yep

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another tip is words be careful yeah if

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if something’s been told to you in

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confidence that means it stays with you

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yes keep that in confidence don’t then

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go tell someone else and say Oh

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even if you think that they’re friends

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with what the person that gave you you

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know vented to you or whatever telling

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it to someone else they you may not know

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exactly if they’re friends with both

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families or just with one family so be

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careful yep for sure and then what’s our

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last thing figure out who needs you

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yeah what do you mean by that um so if

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you are at a party or get-together

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neighborhood or otherwise and you see

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both families there and maybe one family

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is is having a hard time they’re feeling

20:28
uncomfortable because both families are

20:30
there and they’re kind of off in the

20:32
corner not feeling great about the

20:36
situation and you see the other family

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and oh they’re surrounded by friends or

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they’re having a good time and you’re

20:43
friends with both people maybe go to the

20:45
other person that night and say hey you

20:47
know how’s it going and so that’s what I

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mean

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see see who needs you in the moment

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because we’ve been on that side of it

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where I could have used a friend in that

20:56
moment and I could have used somebody to

20:58
come up to me and say hey how’s it going

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when you’re just feeling really

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uncomfortable in some situations and so

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just be mindful of which side might need

21:09
you at that moment um another thing I

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would say our friends have divorced

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people especially if you’re in the camp

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of both don’t ever talk to him about

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child support or money or anything like

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that you don’t want to know you may want

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to know you might be very I want to know

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but you really don’t want to know in the

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end well it’s not there it’s not

21:32
anyone’s business right right it’s not

21:34
and we should said that’s very private

21:37
it is so you know asking can cause

21:41
problems but even telling causes a lot

21:45
more problems yeah so you’re gonna be

21:48
curious about a lot of things with

21:50
divorced people and blended families and

21:53
maybe keep your curiosity to yourself

21:56
because yeah those questions can be hurt

21:59
and if those are private things they are

22:01
now if you’re really curious you can

22:03
listen to all of our podcasts we’re

22:04
pretty open about a lot of things that’s

22:06
right if you’re curious we have just

22:08
helped you out

22:17
all right the lemonade moment of the

22:19
week you would think would be my dental

22:21
surgery but no it is not we had

22:23
something else quite interesting well

22:25
because maybe you can’t find any

22:27
lemonade through your gentleman we have

22:28
seen yes tomorrow the lemonade the

22:31
lemonade is that your brother’s so

22:33
graciously I’ve got great brothers fit

22:35
you in yeah so in an emergency they just

22:39
took care of you yeah it got to the

22:40
point Sunday night where I just couldn’t

22:42
handle it anymore

22:44
and so I booked airplane tickets down to

22:48
San Diego area where my brother is an

22:51
oral surgeon and my other brother is a

22:53
dentist and they slid me into their

22:54
schedule to to help me out with the

22:58
problem I’m having so that’s a great

22:59
lemonade moment we could just leave it

23:02
at that oh no we gotta talk about this

23:04
other one cuz it’s pretty darn funny so

23:07
page periodically has nightmares yes I

23:11
would say it’s more than periodically

23:12
but yes and in this latest nightmare we

23:14
were actually at my niece’s wedding in

23:18
Boise Idaho congratulations Sarah and

23:21
Andrew and we are at a at a hotel and

23:25
about 1:30 in the morning

23:27
Paige wakes up and is scouring around

23:29
the room and I’m a very light sleeper so

23:31
I see her up I was trying so hard not to

23:36
wake you up I didn’t turn any lights on

23:37
because your teeth had been hurting you

23:39
and you were asleep and so I was like I

23:41
can’t wake him up

23:42
so I have my phone on you know the

23:46
flashlight on my phone and I’m scouring

23:48
as quietly as possible the hotel room

23:50
I’m trying to find my purse and you wake

23:53
up and you go what are you doing and I

23:56
said I can’t find my purse I think I’ve

23:58
lost my purse I went oh crap so we you

24:02
got up you turn the light on we looked

24:04
through the whole hotel room the purse

24:06
is not there so I throw on some clothes

24:09
head out to the car scour through the

24:11
car

24:12
can’t find it I come back up to the

24:14
hotel room and Paige is sitting there

24:17
with the cute little smile on her face I

24:19
thought oh she found it I said I didn’t

24:23
bring my purse on this trip so we had a

24:29
nice little lap Paige went back to sleep

24:32
and I laid there for about two hours

24:34
going like ether myself I had had a

24:36
nightmare and CI I have nightmares like

24:39
this almost every night I wake up I have

24:42
forgotten something or someone it’s

24:43
always about forgetting something

24:45
someone and in my nightmare I’d

24:48
forgotten my purse and I usually shake

24:50
myself out of it within about 30 seconds

24:52
and I didn’t for for a little bit yeah

24:55
sorry baby it’s okay

24:57
well no you actually went right to sleep

24:59
so what’s the lemonade moment in that

25:01
eliminated moment I don’t know I got my

25:03
teeth operated on us a good laugh we

25:08
have a good laugh if you like today’s

25:15
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25:16
give us five stars on iTunes Spotify

25:19
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25:22
and check out our blog at where’s the

25:25
lemonade org where you can leave

25:27
questions and comments yeah but most of

25:30
all go out and make some lemonade you

25:32
bet you baby

25:39
in our next episode we’re gonna talk

25:42
about how to stay connected when one of

25:44
you in your marriage is traveling a lot

25:47
or gone a lot right

25:58
due to Darren’s injury and feeling

26:01
horrible this has not been our best

26:03
episode I’m just saying in fact you

26:07
probably shouldn’t even listen to it

26:09
well if when are you adding this at the

26:12
opinions oh okay yeah that’s a good way

26:15
of weird that’s a good place to put a

26:16
bit yeah okay

26:27
you

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